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Haywood Tourism Study
« on: Jun 03, 2005, 01:23:48 AM »

Recently it was reported that a study would be conducted in Haywood County to figure out who is visiting the community and what they are spending money on as tourists. Here's are my questions to everyone: 1) How does the Mill impact tourism? 2) Is it good or bad? Why?  All opinions welcome. <smile>
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 03, 2005, 01:25:57 AM »

PS: Don't shoot the messenger for asking the question that some politicians might not be willing to bring up. (Also: sorry about the typo in my first post.)  LOL
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 04, 2005, 09:00:44 AM »

UPDATE: I was "informed" by someone of some importance in Haywood County yesterday that I "should not be asking this question" and that "the people will backlash against you for even putting the mill in this position". Excuse me? "Putting the mill in this position?" What position would that be? Somehow I missed the memo that said only certain items are aloud to be discussed in Haywood County.

Here are examples of a couple of comments I got yesterday on my questions: 1) There will never be strong tourism as long as there is a dark, smelly cloud hanging over Canton. 2) Tourists only come a couple months out of the year, the mill employs people all year long. 3) The mill is much more important to us than whether outsiders like the smell or not. I think it's good that we have it and keep it.

Now... please explain to me why it might be that "a person of importance" in Haywood County would not want residents/taxpayers to have the chance to address this matter openly - pro or con?

PS: Me thinks some will have much trouble with the FACT tha "Take A Stand!" is in town and that regular working people will be given the same respect AND VOICE as the "people of importance".
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 04, 2005, 09:41:18 AM »

I don't think the mill effects tourism at all. Haywood County is vast, and the mill is in one small part of the county as a whole. Now I'm sure some tourists decide not to visit Canton because of the mill. That's their decision, but overall I don't think it makes much difference.

Whether it's good or bad, who knows. Still if people want to visit Haywood County, it's just as easy to ignore or accept it as the way it is.

UPDATE: I was "informed" by someone of some importance in Haywood County yesterday that I "should not be asking this question" and that "the people will backlash against you for even putting the mill in this position". Excuse me? "Putting the mill in this position?" What position would that be? Somehow I missed the memo that said only certain items are aloud to be discussed in Haywood County.

Rest assured this someone of some importance isn't speaking for us all. If he/she was of any importance at all, they would understand that we have lived with the mill for quite some time, and aren't too worried about it going anywhere soon. I suspect that whomever informed you there might be some backlash is someone that realizes people who work there are very defensive of their jobs - I understand that and can see why. Doesn't mean however we can't have a discussion about it. 

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Here are examples of a couple of comments I got yesterday on my questions: 1) There will never be strong tourism as long as there is a dark, smelly cloud hanging over Canton.

Well, I don't agree there. Most of the time there isn't a cloud at all, and even when there is it isn't dark. Smell? Well, that depends on where you are at the time and the weather conditions. If there is high humidity on a low level, you'll smell it. It's definitely not as abysmal as some people make it out though. I work about two miles away from the mill, and hardly ever smell it. I know it's not THAT bad. As I said before, people either accept it or ignore it.

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2) Tourists only come a couple months out of the year, the mill employs people all year long. 3) The mill is much more important to us than whether outsiders like the smell or not. I think it's good that we have it and keep it.

Agreed there, but still I don't think it effects real tourism at all. I've met tourists that stay on Crabtree Mountain which is in full view of the mill in most places facing. Where our tourists usually go in Haywood County though is the Maggie Valley and Waynesville area - Far away so to speak from Canton.

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Now... please explain to me why it might be that "a person of importance" in Haywood County would not want residents/taxpayers to have the chance to address this matter openly - pro or con?

PS: Me thinks some will have much trouble with the FACT tha "Take A Stand!" is in town and that regular working people will be given the same respect AND VOICE as the "people of importance".

Could be right. We'll see. What will be most interesting to see is if people do come in to this discussion and defend the mill, and say why they defend it. One thing I hope they realize is that it needs no defense at all. With the amount of tourists I've seen especially in my work the last three or so years, I hope they realize that the mill being there makes little difference.

One other thing I want to mention as well. One of my personal favorite vacation places is coastal Georgia. I've been there several times, and you wanna talk about paper mills. Well, it's full of them. Twice now I've been to Cumberland Island (which is a National Park and Seashore), vastly undeveloped. It has one paper mill within a mile, and several others off in the distance. Still everytime I go there I'm one of many tourists, and each time I've met people from several different states. I'm thinking paper mills get a bad wrap in most cases. Because sometimes they smell bad, and sometimes they are an eye sore. It's hard for me to believe that Blue Ridge Paper is making any negative impact on Haywood County tourism. (:
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Re: Haywood Tourism Study
« Reply #4 on: Jun 04, 2005, 10:04:21 AM »

I am going to agree with DEA.
The mill should not have any impact on Haywood County Tourism.
Five years ago, before my family and I moved WNC, we would take mini vacations out here on a regular basis.
We would research a new town on the internet, make reservations and come visit almost once a month. We never even knew about the mill until after we moved here.

All those trips and we never smelled it or saw it. In fact, it was an article in the local newspaper that even brought our attention to it.

I would like to know how much the tourism study will cost Haywood County taxpayers.
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 04, 2005, 07:29:26 PM »

I live in Coastal Georgia, and yes we have many paper mills. In the past, the odor was horrendous and nauseating if the weather was right for that.

Quite  a few years ago, they were made to put scrubbers on the emissions. I think that is the word they used. But no matter because you know what I am meaning anyway.
The odor is much less now. But you can still smell it when all conditions are right for that.

But I can tell you this, it does not stop tourists from coming. They permeate every spare crevice that we have here and almost stack on top of themselves to be here. The visitors might make a comment sometimes when they get a whiff, but it doesn't stop them from saying we have the most beautiful city in the south. And it doesn't stop them from returning. So I would doubt that a mill there would stop anyone from coming.   Visitors have enough sense to know that people have to be employed someplace and that mills have to be built someplace.

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« Reply #6 on: Jun 05, 2005, 09:31:59 AM »


I would like to know how much the tourism study will cost Haywood County taxpayers.

Indeedi. That is a question we should be most interested in.

I live in Coastal Georgia,

That actually tickles me to death. If you don't mind me asking, what town? I love coastal Georgia. Only real towns I've been able to see are St. Marys, Kingsland, some of Brunswick, and I actually got lost in Darien one time looking for a Burger King, heh. (: I've been to Cumberland Island, Jekyll Island. Probably will try and fit Tybee in next time I go.

I'll get back on topic now.

I'd love to have a few more people chiming in, but I still believe it's going to be the general consensus. The caller that attributes a black cloud over Canton is simply not paying attention to the sky. We had a very low fog this morning in Canton before I left work. I didn't smell a thing. And this is usually when you can get a hint of the mill smell - Heavy low humidity.

Many years ago the mill (called Champion Paper International at the time) had a very nasty lawsuit that in part was to clean up the water in the Pigeon River. With that lawsuit, they were also obligated to clean up the aerial waste spitting out of the smokestacks. They spent millions of dollars revamping the mill to the standards they agreed to.

I'll say again, the mill doesn't smell bad. A wind in the right direction, you may get a good hint of it. Nevertheless, there is no way it would effect any tourism to the area.   
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 05, 2005, 04:33:31 PM »

DEA,
i live in Savannah.  Guess you have missed us heading to more rural sites. And the islands are really beautiful, aren't they?  There are a few very isolated islands right off our coast. Only can get to them by boat. But what an adventure. Except now, so many people have boats and we have so many people docking here from all over the world, they all head to the isolated islands to enjoy them. Not so much isolation now.

I would invite you to make a stop in Savannah when you can. See the historical part of the city. Walk through the streets and peek into the little city courtyards. Also, we have some great resturants and entertainment.  Imagine sitting in a resturant and watching a huge freighter going past you from goodness knows where.  While you are enjoying creme' brulee and coffee.  Or listening to an Irish comedian and singer during dinner.

Do I sound proud of my city? You bet I am.  So give it a try when you have the time.  It is not as enjoyable in summer as other seasons.  At least not for those of us that do not like the heat and humidity.  Who knows, you might even catch a whiff of the paper mill and you will already recognize what it is in case someone near you is wondering. 

Have fun
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 06, 2005, 10:49:40 AM »

Based on this good discussion - I'm wondering why some feel threatened by even bringing it up.    Huh??   Sometimes I'm amazed at the self-protective ways of people who are supposed to be working for the people's best interest.   
PS: I LOVE Savanah! If I have a little girl, I'll probably make that city her namesake - at least her middle name. [smile]
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 06, 2005, 02:38:54 PM »

Matt.........

So glad you like my city. I have not lived here all my life but I just love it.  Tell me your favorite things to do and perhaps I can send you in a direction for that.  Also, please tell me what you like most about it.
I am partial to the variety of people that live here and visit.  Never a dull moment when you are in the right place to talk to them?  Also, we are blessed with having SCAD here. (Savannah College of Art and Design)
They have added so much to the community.  They come from all over the world to attend and bring so much with them.  Since you were here already, you probably noticed all the off the wall dresssers.... Most are the SCAD students. So they are artsy eveni their dress.  You just have to enjoy and love it.

Thanks again for the good word.
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 07, 2005, 04:13:56 AM »

Based on this good discussion - I'm wondering why some feel threatened by even bringing it up.    Huh??   Sometimes I'm amazed at the self-protective ways of people who are supposed to be working for the people's best interest.

Probably because there have been people wanting the mill closed down for many years. Certainly not so much people that live here, but some visitors, probably many people in Tennessee downflow from the Pigeon River, though I don't understand why because the river is EPA safe now for fishing and swimming if I recall correctly.

I suspect that the person of importance you mentioned just knows how people that work for the mill feel sometimes. That everyone wants to close it down or somesuch. So he or she were perhaps warning you that there would be negative feedback. Seems to me they were wrong, and maybe don't look at the mill in the same ways some of us do. That is just my guess though. Still it's sad that he doesn't know the other natives as well as he should being of importance.

I actually wish this discussion would have had more people responding and viewing. When I began this post it was viewed about 75 times. Probably not enough to people to really make a point on if the mill actually effects Haywood County tourism. Chances are we will get someone that works for the mill too I hope. 

Marshy,

Actually I've just went right past several times. Always because I'm going more south, but I have seen enough of coastal Georgia to know I like it and want to get to see all of it. Oh and be careful what you ask for. I may just take you up on a real tour of the city in a year or so. (:
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 07, 2005, 08:12:02 AM »

DEA.....
I do not mind at all if you wanted to tour around the city and you contacted me.  I love showing people around or even just helping them with suggestions.
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